Dumas Walker wrote to ED VANCE <=-
The last place I worked, you could choose to work 5x8, 4x10, or
4x9+1x4. I thought it would not be bad to have a half or full day off, but after 8 hours I was usually worn out mentally so I chose to stay on that schedule.
Being salaried made alternative schedules seem hollow. I'd end up working 5x10 and never feel like I could choose an alternative schedule.
The last place I worked, you could choose to work 5x8, 4x10, or
4x9+1x4. I thought it would not be bad to have a half or full day off, but after 8 hours I was usually worn out mentally so I chose to stay on that schedule.
The half day off schedule sounds like a good compromise. Were you
an hourly employee?
Being salaried made alternative schedules seem hollow. I'd end up
working 5x10 and never feel like I could choose an alternative schedule.
Quoting Dumas Walker to Poindexter Fortran <=-
OTOH, if we worked less than 40/week and had no leave time, you only
got paid for the hours you worked. So I would call that "hourly" but
they didn't. ;)
Quoting Dumas Walker to Poindexter Fortran <=-
OTOH, if we worked less than 40/week and had no leave time, you only got paid for the hours you worked. So I would call that "hourly" but they didn't. ;)
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I
had so many hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because
you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my
day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write
down the hours!?"
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write
down the hours!?"
That's hilarious.
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many hours
on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
Sigh. I need to know how to tell them I only work so I can live, I don't think about nor care one little bit about the company when walk out the
door.
Tiny wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many
hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings
on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
Tiny wrote to OGG <=-
They loooooooove to work at my place. The company culture is work
400 hours a week for little to no pay and like it.
Back in the 90s, when I was young, I worked at a small company that did all of the things that small companies do to maximize hours - make a culture that promoted "hero worship", bringing dinners in to people who worked late, and promoted a "family" mindset - plus, we were all working to make the world a better place. :)
Of course, the family metaphor fell apart when the company pivoted and laid off 1/3 of the company.
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
Recently I watched a video on YouTube with someone talking about things companies sometimes say in an interview that might be red flags. One of the things was "we're like family here", or similar. He was saying what that means is they'd probably expect their employees to work long hours, maybe without extra pay, and the company would probably lay off employees when it comes down to it.
Quoting Dumas Walker to Tiny <=-
If they schedule anyhing mandatory outside of my working hours, I am charging them for it.
I do also but, even when I am working somewhere that I like, what I
said above holds true. ;)
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
I'm dying to hear what your response was...
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
Been a loooong time since I liked a place I worked. LOL Even when I was self employeed (As I was for pretty much my entire working life) I hated
it. LOL
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
I said that to a co worker the other week. She came in "Hello Friends!", I said "We're not friends, we're co workers." she first got upset with me
but a few hours later (my desk is by the coffee machine so I get to talk
to everyone, super happy about that) she comes back and realized I wasn't being mean.
They also stopped asking me to go out with them after I explained to them
I don't drink anymore, and even if I did I spend 40+ hours with these people and have no desire to see them for one second if I'm not being paid.
Shawn
there's work buddies and real friends. after leaving my job of 17+ years i talk to one dude on facebook SOMETIMES. i thought those people were my friends and i did things for them, loaned them money, drove them to get their vehicles at the shop... i even shoveled their snow in a blizzard. they werent my friends.
i'm not going to hang out with people outside of work ever again. that just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances in the workplace do that.
just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances in the workplace do that.
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that
way
and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with.
There are a few
people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And layoffs seem to be fairly common with tech companies. I've
personally been through several layoffs.. I feel like I just want to watch out for myself and what I need as far as employment and
compensation goes. Companies certainly seem to mainly care about themselves and won't be afraid to let people go when they deem it necessary.
Dumas Walker wrote to TINY <=-
If they schedule anyhing mandatory outside of my working hours, I am charging them for it.
Tiny wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
Been a loooong time since I liked a place I worked. LOL Even when I
was self employeed (As I was for pretty much my entire working life) I hated it. LOL
Tiny wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I said that to a co worker the other week. She came in "Hello
Friends!", I said "We're not friends, we're co workers." she first got upset with me but a few hours later (my desk is by the coffee machine
so I get to talk to everyone, super happy about that) she comes back
and realized I wasn't being mean.
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
I'm dying to hear what your response was...
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
i'm not going to hang out with people outside of work ever again.
that just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances
in the workplace do that.
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
BUT, you were satisfactorily paid for those extra hours?
With cyclical product cycles, some bit of ebb and flow makes sense. One of my sysop friends in the '90s worked for Yahoo! in QA. He was an employee, not a contractor, and was laid off. Right after his severance ended, he was looking for a job and found one, at Yahoo! in his old department. Worked there again, was laid off with severance, and went back to work once more as a contractor.
The '90s were strange times in the valley.
I passed up an anniversary at my current employer, and Linkedin does this thing where it lets your network know. I was intrigued by the people that bothered to click on a button to respond with a message of congratulations.
The people who've asked me for references in the past didn't bother. Two people I'd interacted with outside of my department close to a decade ago sent a message. A personal friend sent a message as well.
It makes you wonder - you're in some people's minds as long as you're in plain sight.
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
BUT, you were satisfactorily paid for those extra hours?
I was yes. They've never /not/ paid me for time I've asked for. So at least I have that going for me.
Shawn
It is strange sometimes.. Right now I'm working as a contractor, but I started here because the manager said it would be a contract-to-hire position, and he did want to hire me eventually. Now, that manager is moving to another team in the company, and there's about 6 months left in my contract. The manager put in a recommendation for me, and I hope the next manager does decide to hire me..
decade ago sent a message. A personal friend sent a message as well.
It makes you wonder - you're in some people's minds as long as you're in plain sight.
Yeah, sometimes it feels like you're out of sight and out of mind to other people. Though for something like a work anniversary, some people might not know it's a work anniversary for you unless something like LinkedIn mentions it.
there's work buddies and real friends. after leaving my job of 17+ years i talk to one dude on facebook SOMETIMES. i thought those people were my friends and i did things for them, loaned them money, drove them to get their vehicles at the shop... i even shoveled their snow in a blizzard.
they werent my friends.
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a good relationship with their coworkers have a business only relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way out.
Lots of people I clicked with in socally constrained environments (work, college) didn't bother to keep in touch at all when either them or myself moved out of that environment. They would not even respond to messages.
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I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a good relationship with their coworkers have a business only relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way out.
Lots of people I clicked with in socally constrained environments (work, college) didn't bother to keep in touch at all when either them or myself moved out of that environment. They would not even respond to messages.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a
good relationship with their coworkers have a business only
relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way
out.
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes
along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 15 2024 12:51 pm
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
Yeah I have life long friends that I met through work. People I talk to at least on a weekly basis that I haven't worked with in years.
Re: Re: Unlimited PTO
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat May 18 2024 06:10 pm
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
That sounds awfully awful.
One should leave the job at the office unless there is extra pay to justify taking it home.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One should leave the job at the office unless there is extra pay to justify taking it home.
I hope people are getting wise to the startup grind. If you're all working for equity in the company, working enough hours that it limits your social and personal life isn't worth it.
I hope people are getting wise to the startup grind. If you're all
working for equity in the company, working enough hours that it limits
your social and personal life isn't worth it.
If you're making a paycheck and they're still focusing on the startup
grind, they're doing it to maximize your work hours.
But, hey, they do Uber Eats for employees who work after 7pm...
Social life is overhyped. If I could do more extra hours I would take them.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
To be honest, one should take advantage of the years in which one is
young and able-bodied to work hard and make money, so then he can relax
in his mid 40s when he goes fat and his joints rust :-)
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