Although I disgree with the religiou aspect of this, it is nevertheless a valuable lesson. Unification of the world under one
power would be a horrid dystopia. No human being, or organisation, should have so much power over so many people.
Borders, nations, separation are good. We can stop over-compensating for what a few Germans believed in the last century now.
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That is a particularly Western idea, the unification of things, or as I prefer to call it, the homogenisation of humanity under one power.
Hindu and buddhist texts both mention the one-ness of God, as well as the oneness of creation - we're part of the whole, and helping one another is ultimately helping yourself.
I don't think combining religions is an admirable goal. Almost all religious persecution is about doing exactly that, getting everyone to subscribe to the same religion.
It's about theoretically combining religions while allowing each to flourish, and admittedly the devil's in the details. We may learn that religious people are in fact not spiritual and instead have material goals.
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Re: Re: The stay home and not wor
By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Sun Feb 06 2022 01:10 pm
Although I disgree with the religiou aspect of this, it is nevertheless a valuable lesson. Unification of the world under one
power would be a horrid dystopia. No human being, or organisation, shoul have so much power over so many people.
Borders, nations, separation are good. We can stop over-compensating for what a few Germans believed in the last century now.
There are so many valuable lessons in the Bible which are relevant today eve to those who believe it to be nothing more than a collection of fictitious fables.
If one person was to raised to a grandiose height and handed the crown of or to become the patriarch of the World... we'd be living in a despotic dystopi
Power can never be fully consolidated.
That though is seperate to believing that everything unique has to be mashed together into one homogeneous paste? Surely believing in a one-ness with Go doesn't preclude us living our own separate lives, keeping our own identitie our own, if you well, unique expressions of creation.
That is what I think is the problem, not that we acknowledge that we are par of the same creation, but this desire to homogenise and destroy diversity fo political expedience.
People today are very bigoted against people from the past. They think anyo before 2001 was an ignorant, bigot, unaware of the world, how it worked, the problems we face etc. So they just reject out of hand what they said, believed, learned.
The reality is, that tradition, culture and religion are the products of generations, centuries of trial and error, hard learned lessons. Yet some 1 year old girl attends some college and thinks she knows better.
We would all do well to realise that the values and ideas held by people in past, where done with with good reason.
Re: Re: The stay home and not wor
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 07 2022 05:08 pm
That though is seperate to believing that everything unique has to be mas together into one homogeneous paste? Surely believing in a one-ness with doesn't preclude us living our own separate lives, keeping our own identi our own, if you well, unique expressions of creation.
That is what I think is the problem, not that we acknowledge that we are of the same creation, but this desire to homogenise and destroy diversity political expedience.
I think that, in practice, practicioners who believe variations of one-ness with the Universe are more interested in achieving it themselves. This is wh they practice discipline, restraint and self-sacrifice: they reject distractions that are only good for satisfying egos (which are pointless, because the ego is an illusion that does not exist).
It is pointless to want a pile of gold for yourself, when your existence as independent spiritual unit is an illusion.
When your beliefs operate in this environment, I think wanting to put everyb under the same political regime is completely out of scope. Governments and such are just a pathetic attempt from things that believe they are spiritual independent to control other things which believe they are spiritually independent, but that is hogwash, because the tyrant who gets people shot fo disagreeing and the people getting shot are ultimately the same spiritual un
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There is a bit of everything.
A lot of ideas and practices were just counterproductive, or were very helpf only for the people pushing it. Others made a lot whole of sense back in the day, but became obsolete.
For example, feudalism and feudal armies made sense in the 10th Century, because it tied together nobles with common interests with loyalty oaths and made it so areas dominated by a given type of culture could count with the protection of a warrior class capable of fending off invasive threats. Since keeping a standing army sucked very hard (wars ruined territories, because nobody was tending the crops if all the men were chopping heads), having a group of knights for keeping order and turning the peasants into an army onl if need be was an ok deal.
Once monarchies could afford siege machines nobody else could, feudalism bec obsolete because monarchs no longer needed the old loyalty sistem to ensure obedience of nobles and their subjects. Any noble who disagreed with whoever happened to have the artillery sets that Century would see his house bombed the ground with no recourse. History classes always point to the rise of the burgoise class as the downfall of the feudal system, but it was standing monarchist armies which turned nobles from warlords and defenders of the lan into puppets.
On the other hand, I think some ideas from the 5th Century Before Christ are still valid. A lot of Europeans look at 2nd Ammendmendt proponents as if the had losed it, but the idea that only slaves and non-citizens would allow themselves to be forbidden from bearing weapons already existed, in a way or another, in ancient Athens, Sparta, the Republican Rome, various Viking folks... the idea still survives in a number of Asian places to this day. An here is something funny: when a culture stops being combative, they abbandon the idea that free people has weapons, weapons get eliminated from society and that culture collapes under the push of external threats. I recommend th book Ultima Ratio Regis (if it exists in anything else than Spanish), becaus it makes this specific case despite the fact the author despises pro-gun rig groups.
So, in conclusion, we can extract valid lessons from the past, but not all t is past is golden either or would be golden if brought back.
I think in part our view of how companies work still has a feudalist mentali
We have to balance Traditionalism (standing by culture and tradition) with Progressivism, and making objective assessments of our long held cultural traditions and values. The problem is that sometimes it is not apparent why held certain beliefs until long after we've abandoned them. I've done a cursory search for Ultima Ratio Regis, and get some hits, but nothing thta looks like an English translation of the book.
People today are very bigoted against people from the past. They think anyone before 2001 was an ignorant, bigot, unaware of the world, how it worked, the problems we face etc. So they just reject out of hand what they said, believed, learned.
The reality is, that tradition, culture and religion are the products of generations, centuries of trial and error, hard learned lessons. Yet some 19 year old girl attends some college and thinks she knows better.
We would all do well to realise that the values and ideas held by people in the past, where done with with good reason.
The culture creators were able to invert almost all of our beliefs within th span of one century. It was a very impressive undertaking when you think abo it like that. The new culture that has been handed to us is destructive howe is packaged in such a way that the masses believe to be good and moral.
Homogeneity and standardisation of all systems, beliefs and cultures in the name of ending all disputues will take us down a dark path.
These inversions happen from time to time. Values are turned upside down for power. Our current "values" are as such as to benefit those one power, namely globalist government and corporations.
The fight against "Racism" isn't about tolerance, its about creating social conditions which benefit the elite. Destroying the family structure creates dependence and consolidates power. Power has shifted and as such, the values have had to change.
In essence, raising the minimum wage doesn't lift up the poor, it pulls down everyone else. Simply put, being a millionaire wouldn't be so desirable if everyone was a millionaire.Yes, each November in California the fast food joints raise prices
In essence, raising the minimum wage doesn't lift up the poor, it pulls down everyone else. Simply put, being a millionaire wouldn't be so desirable if everyone was a millionaire.Yes, each November in California the fast food joints raise prices
another 5-10% to compensate for the min wage increases. Then I also
noticed in Feburary prices rose even again likely due to the cost of the commodities.
Nobody working at McDonald's or retail deserves $15/h. Minimum wage was never designed to be a living wage. It is what it's called - minimum.
Other than a living wage, for what purpose is a minimum wage meant to be minimum fo
Nightfox
Minimum wages are meant for getting voters for the Spanish Worker's Socialist Party. That is the reason why Spanish minimum wage is the same all across the territory regardless of the fact it is more than you need in a poor area, and won't afford you a living at all in a rich one.
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By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Mar 22 2022 08:17 pm
Minimum wages are meant for getting voters for the Spanish Worker's Socialist Party. That is the reason why Spanish minimum wage is the same all across the territory regardless of the fac
it is more than you need in a poor area, and won't afford you a living at all in a rich one.
i still don't get the argument about minimum wage.
Is this very common in other countries?
in the usa it's just a political selling point.
not many people are ON minimum wage. not even people at walmart.
i know people that mop floors that make 20/hr.
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Re: The stay home and not wor
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Mar 22 2022 08:17 pm
Minimum wages are meant for getting voters for the Spanish Worker's Socialist Party. That is the reason why Spanish minimum wage is the same all across the territory regardless of the fact it is more than you need in a poor area, and won't afford you a living at all in a rich one.
i still don't get the argument about minimum wage.
Is this very common in other countries?
in the usa it's just a political selling point.
not many people are ON minimum wage. not even people at walmart.
i know people that mop floors that make 20/hr.
Consider this. The person serving you your food, or working the retail store gets paid more per hour, but we don't tip. Well, we sometimes do, but its an exception, not an expectation. The tip you pay in the US is a 'minimum wage tax', a necessary addition to make up for the fact they are paid poorly.
We just give them a higher wage, so we don't have to worry about a surcharge whenever we buy anything where minimum wage workers are involved.
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Re: The stay home and not wor
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Mar 24 2022 08:54 pm
Consider this. The person serving you your food, or working the retail store gets paid more per hour, but we don't tip. Well, we sometimes do, but its an exception, not an expectation. The tip you pay in the US is a 'minimum wage tax', a necessary addition to make up for the fact they are paid poorly.
We just give them a higher wage, so we don't have to worry about a surcharge whenever we buy anything where minimum wage workers are involved.
well i like to reward good service. there's times when i was ignored so they got nothing. tips arent mandatory. one thing i dont like is they are adding tipping to all kinds of food restaurants. if i go there to
pick up food, i'm not tipping. there's no table service.
a tip isnt a surcharge in the usa.
well, at most places. some restaurants state that they will do a % of gratuity on the bill. that's kinda rare. ---
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well, at most places. some restaurants state that they will do a % of gratuity on the bill. that's kinda rare. ---
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well, at most places. some restaurants state that they will do a % of gratuity on the bill. that's kinda rare. ---
That's usually for something out of the ordinary - like a very large group, or a birthday party - where the server will be doing more work than normal and the place wants to make sure that the server is compensated for the extra work.
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well, at most places. some restaurants state that they will do a % of gratuity on the bill. that's kinda rare. ---
That's usually for something out of the ordinary - like a very large group, a birthday party - where the server will be doing more work than normal and place wants to make sure that the server is compensated for the extra work.
When I see a "tip" included in a bill, it looks very artificial to me. It makes me not want to consume in bars abroad.
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in the uk or the united states?
i dont go out to eat a lot, especially after the pandemic but i know of
a couple of places where it's the standard. they also have places for x amount of people have it kick in.
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