Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up a
glo rnet "consumers" have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly
accept t
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
aol and compuserve were bbses, essentially.
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content -
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content - usually for free. But as already stated, for some people Compu$erve access was a need and that information was (usually) available nowhere else. Hence "walled garden".
AOhelL was sort of the same, but their goal was to get as many people on as possible - as opposed to Compu$erve which was to get as much money out of you as possible.
Re: Re: New BBS history book
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Wed Jul 06 2022 08:36 am
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
At what time? I don't remember anyone ever calling a BBS a walled garden. But I understand what you mean by that though.
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
who is we? i never heard of that.
aol , compuserve, etc were bbses.
there were also pay bbses.
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content -
no it wasnt. aol was more expensive. prodigy was way expensive.
i was on both services (gardens) and no, bbses didn't offer similar content.
nevertheless fully predictable). For example, Samsung TV's will not function if they don't get a "phone home"
successful response, given that newer Samsung TV's are designed to be bricked if they are ever "stolen." Apple
devices, on the other hand, don't care if they can't reach Apple.com services for telemetry management.
Kaelon wrote to Moondog <=-
Totally agree. From my own Pi-Hole, about 30-40% of all queries are advertising, telemetry, and other privacy-violating behaviors that now
I proactively block.
Nightfox wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island
with its own rules.
At what time? I don't remember anyone ever calling a BBS a walled
garden. But I understand what you mean by that though.
I'd heard the term "Walled Garden" to refer to exclusive curated content on a paid service as a means to attract customers and keep them on your service. CompuServe used to host support forums and user groups that weren't available anywhere else.
I recall one sysop correcting my grammar *while I was typing* and and another who deleted accounts of people who mis-used elipses at the end of sentences. Yet another who deleted accounts of sysops trying to poach "her" users by posting ads for their systems.
She was a screwy one - her son ran the BBS and passed away, unfortunately, at an early age. Anything that broke the rules of the BBS was an affront to the memory of her son. Also did user verification by breaking into chat and asking when you were born. I'd put down a false, but approximate birth date and the way she'd responded you'd thought I'd tried to pass a bad check in her store.
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
who is we? i never heard of that.
"We" meaning the computer users of today. The term "walled garden" really
aol , compuserve, etc were bbses.
They were more than BBSs.
Sometimes those BBSs were set up by the company that owned the documentation so that their non-rich customers could also get that information without signing up for Compu$erve.
I'd heard the term "Walled Garden" to refer to exclusive curated content on a paid service as a means to attract customers and keep them on your service. CompuServe used to host support forums and user groups that weren't available anywhere else.
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up
a global network-wide ad-blocker for less than $40 in parts, and
minimal technical know-how, and you never have to worry again about
invasive advertising, cookies, etc. But most Internet "consumers"
have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly accept the ISP-
provided default configurations (and invasive surveilance practices)
that eradicate their privacy.
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I
notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an
NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine
people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's
spying?
Totally agree. From my own Pi-Hole, about 30-40% of all queries are advertising, telemetry, and other privacy-violating behaviors that now
I proactively block. That said, this has unintended consequences
(that are nevertheless fully predictable).
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
okay mr historian. thank you for the lesson in something i've been
doing for 32 years.
I literally just installed a PiHole+Wireguard at a friend's house last weekend... the irony, is his wife works in digital marketting... so had to set her work computer to not use the pihole for DNS specifically.
Sounds like another win -- if it doesn't function with a PiHole, you don't really want it.
To counter the argument that normals aren't able to do things like setting up Pi-Hole, I have to mention running an ad-blocker in your browser. I'm running uBlock Origin, and my son isn't. I didn't realize how much of a difference it made until I saw some of the same sites on my son's laptop without it.
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use the carrier's DNS.
What's funny, is most of the streaming services work without issue...
the one glaring exception and cancelled promptly was Paramount/CBS. I'd prefer to pay and let them know what's being watched so shows I like get support... but I'd just assume pirate if they can't produce a (small)
list of hostnames to whitelist.
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
okay mr historian. thank you for the lesson in something i've been doing for 32 years.
You're welcome for the lesson. I figured that since you are a newby (compared to me), you probably missed out on some things.
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data plans
(like myself), turn off" "background data" on the apps that you
use the most.
extensive optional blacklists to try and prevent Google from showcasing YouTube ads. I think that's overkill. My 100,000+ or so
blocked domains and IPs serve almost all of my use-cases
that I am willing to pay the $10/mo. to watch YouTube
without ads. _____
Hello Moondog!
** On Tuesday 05.07.22 - 10:37, Moondog wrote to Kaelon:
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up a
glo rnet "consumers" have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly
accept t
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemet and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limit data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data plans
(like myself), turn off" "background data" on the apps that you
use the most.
Tracker1 wrote to Kaelon <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use the carrier's DNS.
Hello Kaelon!
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weekly
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 08.07.22 - 23:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
You're welcome for the lesson. I figured that since you are a newby (compared to me), you probably missed out on some things.
not really. you just have a lot of made up ideas.
especially your comments about some services being too expensive. i was
a kid back then and i was paying for them.
No. I have a lot of different ideas.
especially your comments about some services being too expensive. i
was
a kid back then and i was paying for them.
And I was an adult back then - and I was paying for those services. But
if
you were a kid, I doubt that you were paying for those services out of your own pocket.
On Sun Jul 10 13:33:00 2022, Kaelon wrote to Ogg <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more
because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use
the carrier's DNS.
Tell me more. What carrier specifically? If you're on the home
network, does the carrier perform DNS lookups locally, regardless of
home DNS lookup rules? I've never heard of this situation before -
but admittedly, I'm still only just an intermediate home networker.
;)
That's funny! I actually love what Pi-Hole does to legacy streaming
servers, like Roku's. It removes all of the visible advertising and actually makes them clean and pleasurable to navigate through the UI.
That said, there are some people in the Pi-Hole community that
maintain extensive optional blacklists to try and prevent Google from showcasing YouTube ads. I think that's overkill. My 100,000+ or so
blocked domains and IPs serve almost all of my use-cases that I am
willing to pay the $10/mo. to watch YouTube without ads.
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weeklyI do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10, and a larger
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
On 7/8/22 16:58, Ogg wrote:
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weeklyI do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10, and a larger amount than if I watched the ads... I do watch a lot of YouTube.
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
Mostly Breaking Points, Linus Tech Tips channels, Gamers Nexus,
Jayz2Cents, Craft Computing, but many others.
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even
weekly basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free
for $0/mo !
What's your secret? ;) I've tried many of the blocklists
for Pi-Hole that claim they can ad-remove the YouTube
experience, but I find it hit-or-miss. _____
On 7/8/22 16:58, Ogg wrote:
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weekly
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
I do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10,
and a larger amount than if I watched the ads... I do watch
a lot of YouTube.
Mostly Breaking Points, Linus Tech Tips channels, Gamers
Nexus, Jayz2Cents, Craft Computing, but many others.
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 08.07.22 - 23:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
I have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time. My brother uses a buttload of data and has an A TT "unlimited" time plan. It's actually 20-25gb of data, unlimited text and voice. He burns through the data right away becuase of facebook and youtube, and they throttle it down when the cap is exceeded.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the
extent that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is
throttled.
I have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no
throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time.
Hello Moondog!
** On Thursday 14.07.22 - 00:13, Moondog wrote to Ogg:
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the
extent that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is
throttled.
I have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no
throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time.
How much data do you buy at a time.. and how much per GB are
you paying?
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoid using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls and texts. The data with that plan is small, like 1.5gb, but I like I said, I don't live on my phone.
Data carries over from previous period, so right now I have 2.83 gb available
Re: data.. no throttling.
By: Moondog to Ogg on Fri Jul 15 2022 01:49 am
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoid using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls and texts. The data with that plan is small, like 1.5gb, but I like I said, I don't live on my phone. Data carries over from previous period, so right now I have 2.83 gb available
i shit more than 1.5gigs
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoidI have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no
throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time.
How much data do you buy at a time.. and how much per GB are
you paying?
using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls
and texts. The data with that plan is small, like 1.5gb,
but I like I said, I don't live on my phone. Data carries
over from previous period, so right now I have 2.83 gb
available since I got the new phone and plan in December.
All the regular haunts I visit have wifi, so i use theirs
when possible.
Hello Moondog!
** On Friday 15.07.22 - 01:49, Moondog wrote to Ogg:
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoidI have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no
throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time.
How much data do you buy at a time.. and how much per GB are
you paying?
using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls
and texts. The data with that plan is small, like 1.5gb,
but I like I said, I don't live on my phone. Data carries
over from previous period, so right now I have 2.83 gb
available since I got the new phone and plan in December.
All the regular haunts I visit have wifi, so i use theirs
when possible.
OK.. Their "plans" are similar to our Luckymobile, Chatr and
PublicMobile self-serve no-contract types here. All are maxed
at a certain data amount until throttling kicks in after the
amount purchased.
When you wrote "there is no throttling", I thought you meant
you can continue to use more data at full speeds.
What is happening with Tracfone is that there is a hard cut-off
until you buy more data, right?
Tracker1 wrote to Kaelon <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but
more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to
not use the carrier's DNS.
...
Or, are you talking about the carrier's DNS over the cell network?
If so, not sure how Wireguard would play into things.
I've tried many of the blocklists for Pi-Hole that claim they can
ad-remove the YouTube experience, but I find it hit-or-miss.
Alphabet (Google/YouTube) have more resources available, including a
domain registrar than the people making the block lists. The *could*
even do primary domain routed delivery if they wanted to, they chose to reduce the added latency instead.
yes, you're cut off until you buy a refill
When you wrote "there is no throttling", I thought youyes, you're cut off until you buy a refill
meant you can continue to use more data at full speeds.
What is happening with Tracfone is that there is a hard
cut-off until you buy more data, right?
I have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no
throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time.
How much data do you buy at a time.. and how much per GB are
you paying?
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoid using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls and texts. The data with that
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoid using data. I have a Year long plan with unlimited calls and texts. The data with that
I'm on a plan that accumulates cell data; thanks to extended periods at home on wifi I have 669GB available on my plan!
Re: data.. no throttling.
By: Jared to Moondog on Thu Aug 04 2022 05:12 am
I use my phone mainly as a phone, otherwise i try to avoid using data. have a Year long plan with unlimited calls and texts. The data with t
I'm on a plan that accumulates cell data; thanks to extended periods at home on wifi I have 669GB available on my plan!
i feel like i'm reading posts from 15 years ago.
i feel like i'm reading posts from 15 years ago.
There's more to my life than apiece of glass and plastic and a data plan. I see the utility of a smart phone, but its not a primary median device
Re: data.. no throttling.
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Aug 05 2022 12:55 am
i feel like i'm reading posts from 15 years ago.
There's more to my life than apiece of glass and plastic and a data plan. see the utility of a smart phone, but its not a primary median device
WRONG
That is my personal opinion. I have bad eyes, and I hate tiny screens. It is not my preference for a primary data device.
I simply download the material using youtube-dl or yt-dlp
depending on which computer I happen to be using and watch the
material on my TV later.
I simply download the material using youtube-dl or
yt-dlp depending on which computer I happen to be using and watch
the material on my TV later.
I do the same thing. I have an IOS shortcut that adds the url of the
youtube video I want to watch to a text file. I then use a cronjob,
"youtube video" :D
I simply download the material using youtube-dl or yt-dlp
depending on which computer I happen to be using and watch the
material on my TV later.
I do the same thing. I have an IOS shortcut that adds the
url of the youtube video I want to watch to a text file. I
then use a cronjob, yt-dlp an ffmpeg to download the video,
convert it into ios-native format (mp4) and copy the file
to a folder; That folder is synced to my laptop and my
ipad. Youtube, Offline, No adds, no distracting algorhythm
A lot has changed since my original post above in 2022. youtube-dl
nolonger works in my WinXP, and ytp-dlp doesn't always succeed
on my Win7 system.
A lot has changed since my original post above in 2022.
youtube-dl nolonger works in my WinXP, and ytp-dlp doesn't
always succeed on my Win7 system.
A lot has changed since my original post above in 2022.
youtube-dl nolonger works in my WinXP, and ytp-dlp doesn't
always succeed on my Win7 system.
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