Hello there!

In case you don'tknow, there is an ongoing effort to cancell Richard Stallman (the former FSF president) since he got readmitted in the Free Software Foundation.

Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that are trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or Google money.

Thoughts?

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Arelor wrote to All <=-

Hello there!

In case you don'tknow, there is an ongoing effort to cancell Richard Stallman (the former FSF president) since he got readmitted in the Free Software Foundation.

Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that are
trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or Google money.

Thoughts?

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the theory of least effort.


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Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that are trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or Google money.

That would come as no surprise to me.


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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation project
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Apr 09 2021 08:39 am

Arelor wrote to All <=-

Hello there!

In case you don'tknow, there is an ongoing effort to cancell Richard Stallman (the former FSF president) since he got readmitted in the Free Software Foundation.

Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that are trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or Google money.

Thoughts?

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the theory of least effort.

... What is the simplest solution?

As far as I know, that statement is true: RMS is a bit of a jerk.

Bur is he jerky enough for all the storm which has been generated around him?

By the way, it looks like some group posted an open letter claiming for the removel of RMS from the FSF (again) anhd for the removal of the FSF board, and has some high profile signers. It turns out another group posted an open leter in support of stallman and this one has even more signers.

I suppose if you are not in the mess, it is a great time to eat popcorn watching it.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Bur is he jerky enough for all the storm which has been generated
around him?

No. But there is a concerted effort by SJWs to "bring down" any high-profile person.

When Linux Torvalds was giving talks, for example, he went nowhere (and I mean nowhere) without a wingman. So there's always a witness in case someone makes an accusation.

Many high-profile open source male gurus stopped mentoring women for fear
that one would be an SJW and accuse him of something.

The risk is real - and NOT NEW (which surprised me).


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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation project
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Apr 09 2021 08:39 am

In case you don'tknow, there is an ongoing effort to cancell Richard
Stallman (the former FSF president) since he got readmitted in the
Free Software Foundation.

Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman
is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that
are trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or
Google money.

Thoughts?

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the theory of least effort.

RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

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RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the theory o least effort.

RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!



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RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the the least effort.

RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thi ng if not for him, right?!

These two statements are not mutually exclusive. He was a visionary in his
time who started an entire movement that we all have benefited from today. He is also very likely on the autistic spectrum, probably asperger's, which prevents him from understanding social cues. He has stated that he's been
told that he makes other people uncomfortable with some of the things he
says, but he doesn't understand why.

He should be accountable for harm he causes, but that doesn't mean he and the movement he started should be canceled. There's no doubt there's some very powerful silicon valley interests behind this.

The next battle in this war is just beginning. If you are familiar with the Amazon and ElasticSearch situation, that's going to be the way it's is done going forward. Open source and "single source" has been a trend for a number of years, but I think we'll continue to see that backfire as it did on ElasticSearch. Not only does everyone still think Amazon created ElasticSearch, but they solidified that belief by forking and releasing it as OpenSearch. I'd bet ElasticSearch gets acquired within 3 years because Amazon just took their business model away from them.

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DaiTengu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

Apparently he was into other people stroking his ego, too.


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paulie420 wrote to DaiTengu <=-

RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!

Yeah, he did his part and should have slinked out of the limelight years
ago, long before he became and icon and a liability to the movement.

We'd be remembering him fondly by now instead of wondering what the hell
he's been thinking all of these years.


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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
By: paulie420 to DaiTengu on Tue Apr 13 2021 10:24 pm

RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the
theory o least effort.

RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!

Just because he started a thing, and I can enjoy it, doesn't mean he's not a horrible excuse for a human being.

He hasn't done anything remotely useful in the last 20 years. Move. The. Fuck. On.

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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
By: DaiTengu to paulie420 on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:11 pm

He hasn't done anything remotely useful in the last 20 years. Move. The. Fu On.

His current declared enemies seem to come from corporate funded taskforces, so it looks to me like he is pissing corporate interests off. Stallman is fun to keep if just for that :-P

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On 4/14/2021 5:37 AM, lynx769 wrote:

The next battle in this war is just beginning. If you are familiar with the Amazon and ElasticSearch situation, that's going to be the way it's is done going forward. Open source and "single source" has been a trend for a number of
years, but I think we'll continue to see that backfire as it did on ElasticSearch. Not only does everyone still think Amazon created ElasticSearch,
but they solidified that belief by forking and releasing it as OpenSearch. I'd
bet ElasticSearch gets acquired within 3 years because Amazon just took their business model away from them.

I sincerely hope not AWS is a horrible steward for open-source in
general, and has an even worse history of UI/UX on their SaaS products.

Unfortunately, in the days of large cloud providers, SaaS models need a slightly different license than a lot of more traditional open-source,
and will depend on the business models of the backing/founding companies.

I prefer open-source, but am not blind to the realities of companies
that at least try to do the right thing while making a living for
themselves and employees.

(disclosure, I have a family member that works for Elastic).
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On 4/14/2021 7:11 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a
different thing if not for him, right?!

Yeah, he did his part and should have slinked out of the limelight years
ago, long before he became and icon and a liability to the movement.

We'd be remembering him fondly by now instead of wondering what the hell
he's been thinking all of these years.

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different culture.
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On 4/22/2021 3:21 AM, Arelor wrote:

His current declared enemies seem to come from corporate funded
taskforces, so it looks to me like he is pissing corporate
interests off. Stallman is fun to keep if just for that :-P

Mostly agreed... funny that so many outspoken individuals seem to be
those perfectly happy propping up massive tech conglomerates or CCP
interests without issue. Or those talking of being more understanding
and accepting of different cultures... which generational differences
are definitely differing cultures.

I'm not defending any specific statements or actions of RMS, only
pointing out that a lot of the cancel culture is very hypocritical.
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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 04 2021 09:07 am

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different culture. --

tolerance and understanding?!

if you arent trans and jewish you are a second class citizen in today's age.

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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 04 2021 09:07 am

Or... people should exercise tolerance
Especially with older folk who come from a different
time, which is effectively vastly different culture.

That's *very* well put. ;) Good on ya, back quiet.

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Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
culture. --

I agree, but that would be a novel concept. A little too logical and simple for today's world, however.

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Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
culture.

I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault and trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure
than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.


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Re: Stallman cancellation project
By: Arelor to All on Fri Apr 09 2021 07:00 am

Some dude on efnet was theorizing that the attempt to kick Stallman is driven by SIllicon Valley tyrants, since the organizations that are trying to overthrow him happen to receive lots of Microsoft or Google money.

Thoughts?

well he thinks that 17 yr old girls being pressured to have sex with old men is okay.

also his other comments have been pro pedophelia.

in my book he should get a bullet to the head.
THAT is how he should be cancelled.
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On 5/4/2021 3:57 PM, MRO wrote:

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance
of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk
who come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
culture.

tolerance and understanding?!

if you arent trans and jewish you are a second class citizen in
today's age.

I'm speaking of/to the woke... and it's funny/ironic that statement
didn't even stand up for a few weeks.
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On 5/5/2021 6:59 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of
different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
culture.

I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault and trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure
than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.

To my knowledge, nobody is in favor of sex trafficking or assault.
IIRC, the statement was something along the lines of a female at 16-17yo
is not the same as a female at 10-12 years or younger.

I used to know someone who was tried and convicted of statutory rape of
a minor and has to spend the rest of his life as a registered child sex offender, because he was 18yo, had sex with his then 17yo girl friend
and the girl's parents were friends with the local DA.

Shit like the above isn't justice.

I also remember a response to a Douglas Crockford video/presentation
where he said, "developers like their code strong." while flexing, and
the woke blew up and accused him of being misogynistic... projecting
much, as if women can't be strong.

Wokeness knows no bounds, and it's approaching insane levels at this point.
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On 5/6/2021 5:39 AM, MRO wrote:

well he thinks that 17 yr old girls being pressured to have sex with
old men is okay.

also his other comments have been pro pedophelia.

in my book he should get a bullet to the head.
THAT is how he should be cancelled.

That's not okay... I don't know the specifics, I wasn't there, and
haven't seen any video/posts as such. Then again, most politicians in
office for over 3 decades have likely said equally cringe things.

Just to be clear, in my last few posts. I am not okay with forced sex
of any kind... creepiness factor should always be considered (take your
age, divide by half and add 7, that's as young as you should ever date
or have sex with).
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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation project
By: Tracker1 to MRO on Thu May 20 2021 11:25 am

also his other comments have been pro pedophelia.

in my book he should get a bullet to the head.
THAT is how he should be cancelled.

That's not okay... I don't know the specifics, I wasn't there, and
haven't seen any video/posts as such. Then again, most politicians in

you dont think pedophiles should be exterminated?
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Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 20 2021 11:22 am

On 5/5/2021 6:59 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault an trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.

To my knowledge, nobody is in favor of sex trafficking or assault.
IIRC, the statement was something along the lines of a female at 16-17yo
is not the same as a female at 10-12 years or younger.

It wasn't even this. It was "Would Minsky have known that she was underage and/or trafficked?". RMS's argument was, if she had been introduced to Minsky without him being told her age and that she was trafficked, should he be responsible for not knowing that?

Though I won't defend Minsky too much since he's definitely a creep. If some girl obviously much less than half your age is instantly acting like she's super into you, I feel like you should be asking some questions about what's going on.

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