I got a renewal notice from pskhosting.com, I'd forgotten I'd grabbed a deal last year around new years.
The deal is your basic shared hosting, control panel, Apache, MySQL, IMAP, 120 GB of storage, and it's $9/year. I've got a test domain sitting on it now, but I'd forgotten what it's like when you don't have SSH access to
the system - or SCP. I've got to FTP files to/from it.
Just like it's 2000 all over again.
Check out lowendbox.com
I snagged a 4cpu host with 4gb and 90gb hard disk with 4TB of bandwidth
for
$70 a year with full KVM (none of that openvz crap). I run my bbs on that.
My other server is $59 a year with 4gb 3 cpu, 75gb disk space anf 5tb of b/w.
You can get some crazy good deals. Just make sure you go for a provider that's
been around for a while. There was an influx of new companies all offering great deals and then they shutdown within in a few months, taking all the payments with them.
There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very small bbs systems. --- CNet/5
There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very small bbs systems. --- CNet/5
i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS .. when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.
even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any internet connection is overkill for a bbs.
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..
to each their own i guess
If both bbs and sysio are running linux I have a pager for that
situation, though email/discord might be better. Buyt still usefull for recreating the retro experience...
interesting. like a cell phone type of pager or something different? i remember you used to be able to email like: <phonenumber>@<carrier>.com or whatever to send texts.. i wonder if that still works. though if you don't route an internet email address to your users you couldn't respond. who knows, all this work and your users might just text profanities to you all day lol
i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS .. when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.
even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any internet connection is overkill for a bbs.
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..
I couldn't agree more.
Lupine wrote:
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..
I couldn't agree more.
What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.
interesting. like a cell phone type of pager or something different? i remember you used to be able to email like: <phonenumber>@<carrier>.com or
What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 04:47 pm
Lupine wrote:
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc your options might be limited..
I couldn't agree more.
What if you already have one IP and you're already running services on those
addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential customers more than one IP.
You can usually pay a little more for static IP address and get a 5-pack. I've had 5-packs since the late '90s with DSL and cable modem service.
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of prote
your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and every address is meant to
be accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: MRO to fusion on Thu Mar 18 2021 19:40:42
If both bbs and sysio are running linux I have a pager for that situation, though email/discord might be better. Buyt still usefull for recreating the retro experience...
Marisa
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
thinking, really...
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of protect your
devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and
every address is meant to be accessible from everywhere... it is a
huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...
Hello Rampage!
** On Saturday 20.03.21 - 04:36, Rampage wrote to Nelgin:
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
thinking, really...
Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
NAT?
Lupine Furmen wrote to Nelgin <=-
I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.
Ogg wrote to Rampage <=-
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
thinking, really...
Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
NAT?
I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-old,
where everything is on the network?
Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router
with a NAT?
I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-
old, where everything is on the network?
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: Nelgin to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 19 2021 16:47:11
Nelgin> What if you already have one IP and you're already running
Nelgin> services on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give
Nelgin> residential customers more than one IP.
you're still thinking in IPv4 terms... IPv6 comes in blocks of addresses... IPv6 is generally allocated to end users in /48 blocks... a /48 is 65535 LAN segments which the end user can further subdivide... more than enough
addresses for the average end user's site even if it is fully loaded with fridges, freezers, stoves, lamps, etc all internet capable and connected... and there's still plenty of addresses in there free to use for servers and
such...
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not meant to be hidden and every address is meant to
be accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4 thinking, really...
Hello poindexter!
Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router
with a NAT?
I thought the whole idea was to go back to the internet-of-
old, where everything is on the network?
The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
attached devices.
There price on VPN servers is good if you want to run a very
small bbs systems. --- CNet/5
i duno, i think it sounds kind of lame to run a bbs on a VPS ..
when a user goes for the 'page sysop' command you should be able
to break in to chat because you heard the machine beeping at you.
even when i had dialup internet back in the day the bbs worked
just fine for two nodes (granted i paid my isp for a private
dedicated number to connect 24/7..) nowadays just about any
internet connection is overkill for a bbs.
i suppose if you have crummy internet or don't have a spare pc
your options might be limited..
to each their own i guess
What if you already have one IP and you're already running services
on those addresses? Most IPS are not going to give residential
customers more than one IP.
You can usually pay a little more for static IP address and get a
5-pack. I've had 5-packs since the late '90s with DSL and cable
modem service.
I am not sorry for NAT. You can still use a firewall on both
the router and your home computers.
I am more worried about the state of ipv6 firewalling itself
being a mess (if you check the relevant RFC's you'll see what
I mean), the fact you don't get to assign your own subnetworks
and logical segments unless the ISP allows you to do so (because
if they don't offer you proper prefix delegation, all you get is
a LAN network you cannot divide), and the fact IP blacklists are
not going to work anymore (a botnet-infected device has lots of
ips to choose from, so if its IP gets banned, it is easier
to get a new one than it used to be).
the main thing i don't care for with IPv6 is the loss of NAT
which, granted, is not needed, but it is a way to kind of
protect your devices by keeping them hidden... IPv6 is not
meant to be hidden and every address is meant to be
accessible from everywhere... it is a huge change from IPv4
thinking, really...
Interesting. So there is not such thing as an IPv6 router with a
NAT?
I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.
One thing I'm playing with is setting up a reverse proxy for web services. Set up the proxy on the outside IP, or NAT into it, then use the proxy to point subdirectories or virtual hosts off of that IP to internal hosts.
I'm using a router with DD-WRT, and with a package called Entware, it'll support Linux applications. It's going to run NGINX as a main web server, then proxy to my internal hosts.
Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in, but that's easier to deal with than users or applications that expect to be on ports 80 or 443.
Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there
are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.
On 3/21/2021 7:38 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
I only have 1 IP. Each of my BBS' is on a different port. All on the
same machine. Running 5 BBS' 4 FTP's, 1 WWW, and 1 MUSH.
One thing I'm playing with is setting up a reverse proxy for web services. >> Set up the proxy on the outside IP, or NAT into it, then use the proxy to
point subdirectories or virtual hosts off of that IP to internal hosts.
I'm using a router with DD-WRT, and with a package called Entware, it'll
support Linux applications. It's going to run NGINX as a main web server,
then proxy to my internal hosts.
Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in, but
that's easier to deal with than users or applications that expect to be on >> ports 80 or 443.
For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that would
limit sftp to the one system.
Tracker1 wrote:
Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.
Actually, it's one way around sending email from residential IPs that are usually blocked. My ISP can't block my ipv6 tunnel
can relay email to any mail server that responds with an AAAA address or I could relay it to one of
my VPS boxes, which is a mail server, and go from there. That means I have more less prying eyes on my email.
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: Nelgin to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 22 2021 08:31 pm
Tracker1 wrote:
Many email systems won't support IPv6 for this reason. Even then, there are benefits to renting a computer outside your home to run a service from.
Actually, it's one way around sending email from residential IPs that are usually blocked. My ISP can't block my ipv6 tunnel
can relay email to any mail server that responds with an AAAA address or I could relay it to one of
my VPS boxes, which is a mail server, and go from there. That means I have more less prying eyes on my email.
Well, but if I understand your setup, what is saving you is your ability to tunnel, rather than the fact you are using ipv6
specifically.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
attached devices.
Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that would
limit sftp to the one system.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The way things are happening with IoT devices, I wouldn't want
someone poking around my "visible" network and mess with the
attached devices.
You'd still want a transit LAN in front of your subnet; although I suppose the routing would be an unscaleable nightmare.
With a transit LAN you could set up a firewall with one of the transit LAN IPs on the WAN side and your "personal" network on the LAN side. You'd still have
access to all of the systems to/from the internet, but control them through the
firewall.
... Is it finished?
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 2021 09:25:22
Arelor> But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without
Arelor> some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a
Arelor> subnettable block. Which is exactly what pisses me off.
are you saying that an IPv6 /48 is not large enough to subnet? i mean, there 65535 LAN segments in there so it should be pretty easy to subnet...
)\/(ark
Telnet and/or SSH still need to be on different ports and NATed in,
but that's easier to deal with than users or applications that
expect to be on ports 80 or 443.
For telnet/ssh you could have a system setup on the standard ports
to telgate to the appropriate internal system... Of course, that
would limit sftp to the one system.
Which means you'd be paying for a service to redirect your ports
plug the added latency. You might as well get a $50pa VPS.
if i'm given an IPv6 /48 block of addresses, i put that into my DHCP server and configure it to hand out those addresses any
way i want... so i could take my /48 and have my DHCP server hand out /50s giving me 4 internal
subnets... or i could split it into 8 /51s... or even 32 /53s... the only thing that matters is that my DHCP can adjust to t
new /48 prefix that my ISP may allocate if i do not have a static /48 with them... as long as my
DHCP server can do that, everything should work just fine...
On 03-24-21 09:25, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But you are no getting that sort of poorman's DMZ without some hacky solutions, unless the ISP deigns to give you a subnettable block. Which
is exactly what pisses me off.
Not so uncommon scenario:
ISP->Home router->LAN 1->Inner Router->LAN 2
The official way of having LAN 2 have a consistent way of managing dynamic addresses is prefix delegation. Home Router 1 gets
an assignment from the ISP. Then Inner Router gets an assignment from Home Router. Otherwise, if the ISP block changes, the
addresses in LAN 2 get stale and you are not Internet routable anymore.
Re: Re: Cheap Hosting...
By: Arelor to Rampage on Thu Mar 25 2021 04:39:50
Not so uncommon scenario:
ISP->Home router->LAN 1->Inner Router->LAN 2
The official way of having LAN 2 have a consistent way of managing dynami addresses is prefix delegation. Home Router 1 gets
an assignment from the ISP. Then Inner Router gets an assignment from Hom Router. Otherwise, if the ISP block changes, the
addresses in LAN 2 get stale and you are not Internet routable anymore.
two things:
use only one DHCP server.
shorten your DHCP lease times.
i won't say anything about everyone being taken in by the sales talk and "router this", "router that" muckity muck... one only truely needs switches their different networks and they might should reconsider how their LANs
are connected... here, we have all of our LANs originating at one device... that one device handles everything for each LAN and each LAN is quite separa and distinct from the others... but that's just us...
)\/(ark
Sure, but you often want every segment administrated by a different person. Or separated at a logical level beyond having a single device take care of every address assignment.
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